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Grateful Dead Live at Madison Square Garden on 1993-09-22

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Grateful Dead Live at Madison Square Garden on 1993-09-22

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Help On The Way-> Slipknot!-> Franklin's Tower, Minglewood Blues, Ramble On Rose, When I Paint My Masterpiece, Bird Song Easy Answers, Lazy River Road, Estimated Prophet-> Dark Star-> Drums-> Space-> Wharf Rat-> Throwing Stones-> Turn On Your Love Light*, E: I Fought The Law*

Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Venue Madison Square Garden
Location NYC, NY



DSBD> DAT> CDR> EAC> WAV> SHN; Seeded by an anonymous source with DATs
provided by D. Murray, who sat in; EAC/SHN, u/l by Rich (yubah); stemming
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Reviewer: deezills - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 26, 2017
Subject: My First Show
This was my first show. I was 15 and didn't know much about the dead. The guy in front us dosed me and my friend. I love it and went to as many shows as possible after this.
Reviewer: mowgli16 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - July 1, 2015
Subject: 3rd Row Center
I was in the third row for this killer show. Was not familiar with David Murray beforehand, but came to love jazz a few years later. The opening Help>Slipknot>Franklins just kicked the door down. The Dark Star in set2 was great.

Anyone who attended a bunch of Dead shows remembers the vibe walking out afterward. Sometimes the band was off. Sometimes they were pretty good, and sometimes they were amazing. This was an amazing show. Make no doubt.
Reviewer: CEK - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - March 5, 2015
Subject: Wow this is so much better than Marsalis
The band sounds light years better than they did in 1990 with Marsalis, so much more full- both from a playing standpoint and just from the overall timbre of the music.

David Murray isn't content to just be empty calories the way Marsalis was. I've always felt like you could hear Garcia getting frustrated that Marsalis wasn't getting weirder when Garcia tried to push it in that direction.. This show everyone seems on the same page.
Reviewer: tullie - favoritefavorite - February 14, 2015
Subject: I am someone who does know jazz....very well.
Been something of a life's calling ever since 1972, I was a Miles and Trane fiend prior to the Grateful Dead, who I was brought to the first time in Madison Wi, in 83, kicking and screaming, and heading for the most humbling evening of my life, though having reheard that show many times, I suspect the doses helped.
However someone down the line I believe over stated David Murray's importance in the lineage of jazz music, though he may indeed be one of the better quality tenors still standing. I am someone who can bore u senseless with my knowledge of jazz be it mainstream or avant garde, the latter of which is the realm Murray is normally operating out of. And as the decades pass the realm of jazz that I have least tolerance for, though I did not say none. A signifigant slice of Sun Ra's career, the Art Ensemble of Chicago, and some, though definitely not all, of the latter day Trane, say 65 thru 7. In large part because the first two of those knew how to keep that shit swingin and not just being discordant for its own sake. In any case giving this show a listen, I am hearing Murray adding little to the already fairly lame proceedings. Branford is a more lyrical, or melodical player to begin with and likely more importantly found a more happening Grateful Dead on his visits. Though even Ornette Coleman definitely added something to his offering on Space during his visit I think in the same year on the other coast. Basically saying Murray ain't all that, I could name 50 tenors through jazz history who are his superior officer, and I could name them within 10 seconds of hearing their sound.
Reviewer: glynspsa - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 8, 2015
Subject: Great Estimated Very Good Jazzy
David Murray is a great guest for the latter day Grateful Dead. He is not Branford but he is pretty Damn good non the less. Estimated is fantastic once it gets going. I saw someone below turn it off before it could start cooking. This is about as good as they got once Bruce left.
Reviewer: RM1133 - - September 26, 2013
Subject: Trifecta
Deadbase gave this show the trifecta of best show, show most regretted missing, and best tape of '93. I was at a couple of the MSG shows in '93 but unfortunately not this one. I'll have to give it a listen.....
Reviewer: imissJG - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 19, 2010
Subject: 9/22/93Msg
i agree with cringle!...Fuckin`"Lazy River,"is a Jerry classic....with a line that reads,"..all the others,i let,pass by..i only wanted you..Never cared much for...careless love,oh how your bright eyes glow...Way down..down along..Lazy River Road...."thats just good stuff!!......Jer`s guitar work this nite also shined....alot of"acoustic"sound....Opener of "Help>Slip>Frank"rocked!...and "Masterpeice"and"Ramble on Rose"jammed.....Honestly,I could`ve done without"Easy Answers"...but it followed up with "Lazy"and when that happens,you seem to forget and forgive.....and this"DarkStar" never got better than that...(except for moments on10/1/94 and a *few other nites..*23nites)....and again,done without the encore of the `90s.."Fought the Law."..i swear..they had to send us packin more times than i care to count in the late`90s with that got like broken record.....more"BMR"and "Attics"would`ve been SWEET!.....the only thing cringle,that i must correct is..."SMR" and"SOTM"are two songs that "not you,not nobody"can ever replicate or even start to fathom its endless meanings and its appeal to "love and kindness"that Jerry played out with magic....i believe you said they were "over-rated"......i may be wrong,it was like that,anyway!....I guess my question is,do you not like those tunes,or just like"lazy"better?.........and if so,why say that about 2 Great Jerry ballads,that most definetly speak s volumes with many heads and live in a special place in our hearts!......but,anywho,this nite ROCKED!
Reviewer: dustbowltom - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 19, 2010
Subject: Estimated
Murray is just SICK. It's JAZZ...
Reviewer: nigeldavahah - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 8, 2010
Subject: Special Night
I like this one
Reviewer: Sedula - favoritefavoritefavorite - December 7, 2010
Subject: David Murray Comments
"The sax player Murray doesn't know how to improvise in the dead's format or probably in a jazz format. Branford is way better. Sound is ok but you don't hear bobby's guitar too well sometimes not at all."

1) David Murray is one of the better sax players in the world so I don't know how you make the first statement. I've seen Murray shred it with the Dead in Oakland, CA.

2) Apples & Oranges to compare Branford & Murray. Branford certainly knew the songs at least a little.

3) Not hearing Weir was a blessing near the end. He had a very caustic tone and used the whammy bar way too much. He was a better player in the early 70's (70-74).
Reviewer: jerlouvis - - February 3, 2010
Subject: morons
Gratefuldavo,you obviously no nothing about jazz so why would you comment on someone's ability to improvise.David Murray is a world renowned tenor sax player one of the best to ever play the instrument,so you saying he doesn't know how improvise shows you for the asshole you are.For christ sakes they can't even play their own music at this point,listen to the open of Estimated,it sounds like they never met each other,how are you supposed to improvise off that,plus he did not know any of their music.I thought when it clicked it was the one show from the 90's worth listening to.
Reviewer: cringle - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 22, 2009
Subject: are you crayzee? this show OWNS
no self respecting deadhead would say they were BORED with this show... what wannabe deadhead elitist posers.

kick back and enjoy, this show is awesome, and considering its late '93... its one of the last awesome dead shows ever. it IS THE LAST great NYC show ever.

jeesus, how can you not like this show?

help/slip rocks

mingle does what it do

bird melts down quite pleasantly

even answers is enjoyable

how do some people not realize Lazy is a sleeper classic. Unlike the overrated SOTM and SMR it doesn't try too hard. 2nd best post-In the Dark Dead tune behind only Days

Prophet is mint...

above avg. dark star, good drums, space, rat...

Reviewer: AcousticPob - favorite - September 23, 2008
Subject: Really? 4 stars?
I got through help/slip/frank and that's about it. This show is weak all the way though. For the love of god... they were crawling through masterpiece. This might be a great show to put on while you are sleeping. I had hopes for drake star - got through 2 minutes of that and moved on. How can you think this is a good show compared to the 87-88-89 fall run at MSG. Crazy people... just crazy. There are Very Few shows after 91 that deserve 4 stars. This aint one of them. I give it 1 star cause they at least showed up to the gig.
Reviewer: TheWaY - favoritefavoritefavorite - April 3, 2008
Subject: Interesting Moments
There were interesting moments here, particularly during space. After 17 years of listening to the Dead, it is those moments during space seem the most refreshing, especially in these latter years.

The rest of the show seems solid enough...I just can't sense the energy that was vivid at earlier points in their career.

I have trouble with Jerry's guitar tone in these latter years as well. I know that seems lame, but it doesn't do it for me.

Yet, we know that taste is subjective, and that there are those who really dig on post-brent Grateful Dead.

A good listen, but nothing overwhelmingly great.
Reviewer: GratefulDavo - favoritefavoritefavorite - September 23, 2007
Subject: Starts good then declines
This show starts great Help onthe way>Franklin's>Slipknot great energy all the way to lazy river road then starts to decline in Estimated and by the time I fought the law, They're exhausted. The sax player Murray doesn't know how to improvise in the dead's format or probably in a jazz format. Branford is way better. Sound is ok but you don't hear bobby's guitar too well sometimes not at all.
Reviewer: Evan S. Hunt - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 8, 2007
Subject: Great All The Way Through
Good music from a polished band.
Reviewer: Funkalicious - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 14, 2007
Subject: I respectfully disagree
with your assessment Lobster (I usually agree with you). Put your headphones for the Estimated and crank it way up. A true classic! The entire show is a keeper especially for a 93 show and definetly if your Murray fan.
Reviewer: lobster12 - favoritefavorite - January 30, 2006
Subject: baffled
This was voted one of the best shows of 93 on a dead related website. I'm stumped. Yes, david murray is nice as well as cotton, but I'm not that excited. Maybe it's the new sound of the band or is it Lazy River road and easy answers to start a second set. Either way I' bored.
Reviewer: DavidGlasses - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 18, 2006
Subject: Phenomenal show
I was at this show. Just tremendous. Bird Song was great, same with Estimated and Wharf Rat. Great energy throughout. (The jam in Slip>Franklin's was spooky-- very second set in vibe. Heck of a way to start the night). Just an amazing show and a highly recommended download; Jerry's leads are incredibly creative throughout the night.
Reviewer: omnihead - favoritefavoritefavorite - July 5, 2005
Subject: way over rated
good show..but there are better from 93. (i.e. 3/24, 8/22, 5/27) I'm getting sick of everybody always creaming in their pants and following the band wagon over special guests, espicially saxophone players. If anything, special guests, such as Murray, hinder the Dead's performance more than enhance it. There are a few exceptions, I know...the 3/29 Eyes for example. Would have everyone LOVED it if Murray were to announce that he were suddenly going to play EVERY show with the Dead..i think not.
Reviewer: dmilks - favoritefavoritefavorite - June 27, 2005
Subject: 9-22-93
Don't forget that the "Superharp" James Cotton sat in for Throwin'>Lovelite.
Reviewer: markintoga32 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 20, 2005
Subject: that's david murray
that's david murray on sax, an established jazz player. He's there all second set, although he doesn't play much on the Answers & lazy river road. he plays on the bird song in the first set as well.
Reviewer: Vivafiniz - favoritefavoritefavorite - April 22, 2005
Subject: Horns? Branford?
I did not make it to this show, but love the sound quality, Bobby or not. One thing that puzzles me is the horn sound during Lazy River, it simply cannot be created from a keyboard and there's no mention of any guests. ???
Reviewer: budfox - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - April 22, 2005
Subject: Wheres Tiger?
I agree Bob is not prevalent in the mix. It does happen too often.I heard thats the reason they fired Healy in 1st place. I said it before but as Cool as a tone that Jerry new guitar had it just didnt have the juice it fades out so often(See end of Slipnot)) and really emphasized bad notes. Luckily Garcia was still playing well that fall. But I still felt the it was to dicey of a guitar to play it as much a he did.
Reviewer: Jon Blanton - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 24, 2005
Subject: Live At The Garden 9-22-93 - Soundboard
I can't judge whether or not that's Bobby's guitar cut out of the mix in the first set (as another reviewer states) but it does sound like only one guitar.

At any rate, the mix, aside from that, is rather clean and pretty flawless...however the audience recording of the same show sounds much more full.

Great show, varying recordings.

I say 5 stars for that one, 4 for this.
Reviewer: SeaClasper - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 16, 2005
Subject: Where's Bobby?
I was really excited when I first started listening to the first set... real clear sound and great balance of all the instruments. I mean, it' s mixed well, BUT something was missing... Bobby's guitar! I don't know about you, but I take it as a personal insult (to me and Bobby!!) when his guitar is completely cut out of the mix, as it too often is. I've only listened to the first set, but despite the caliber of the band that night I'm gonna have to give this a 4. This recording is also a little flat on the high end, hopefully the second set will be better.
Reviewer: Bob the listener - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 25, 2004
Subject: dang!
the start to this show sends chills down my spine. that kind of feeling is worth the download alone, i'd recommend picking out the jewels from this show, and some others, and make a really killer mixed disc. sound here is pretty solid, amazing energy through help>slipknot>frnklins.
Reviewer: sid weiss - favoritefavoritefavorite - August 28, 2004
Subject: i didn't think that sound was that great
could be better ..sound quality wasn't that great i give that 3 stars
Reviewer: funksoul - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 21, 2004
Subject: Hot show!!
I'm sure that acoustic sound you were hearing was the pedal or processor garcia got in the late 80s or early 90s that made his electric sound like an acoustic. I personally like that sound and would love to know what effect you could get to make my Gibson sound like that. Also wasn't Garcia using that Guitar a fan custom made for him. I can't remember the guys name but he blew him self up in his workshop working on some other type of project.

Bird Song from this show was incredible.
Reviewer: sheikyerbouti - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 19, 2004
Subject: this was hands down the best show of this tour and probably of '93
we had a sky box and some good liquid for this show and the seats came in handy later because it started dripping really hard in there...good open with help>slip>franklins it's weird I do not remember garcia playing part of help on an acoustic guitar but that sure is what it sounds like... unreal birdsong and for the record books estimated>dark star.... this show is more than a 5 - it did not let up....
Reviewer: *Merlin* - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 14, 2004
Subject: Solid
A slammin' Help on the Way gets things started on this very crisp SBD. You can feel how eager the band is to get it going while tuning, then WHAM! Phil is prominent in the mix and he is a beast on this night. An odd start to the second set (Easy, Lazy) should not be overlooked before sampling the killer Estimated which melts in to a single verse Dark Star that doesn't disappoint. Space thru Lovelight shines with a spectacular
Wharf Rat - David Murray is just a freak on the sax. If you're a fan of the 93 sound this is one to have. Along with 9-13 which has better song selection, this is my favorite fall 93 show.
Reviewer: vancman - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 12, 2004
Subject: My Last Show
Just listening to stream of 1st set. Excellent show. Much enthusiasm and everyone is sharp, Jerry's notes are deep and saturated. recording quality is rich as well. The last few nights at MSG were amazing, this night no exception with Dave Murray as guest. Only pick, I wish they had jammed more with D. Murray. This was my last show, my wife to-be by my side. After a year with a couple stinkers for shows, and some real gems, these MSG shows were mint. I was just going to go to one show but when I heard how "on" they were, I went to all. Check out a few nights earlier with Eddie Brickel guest during space as well. A definate download.
Reviewer: - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 4, 2004
Subject: David Murray !
I just wish he'd played his bass clarinet more in Dark Star.
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